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[SKSARA]

Hi

i have been trying the ILS landing with standard Boeing 737-400 and I am using and standard airport. But i don't get any clearance from the tower ( controller ).

I have tuned my NAV1 and NAV2 with ILS frequency and NDV also has been tuned, I stay at 3000 AGL before 13 nm from the airport.

Everything is fine and it's reached 200 feet centre line of the runway. After that i am able to control the aircraft with the flaps settings 30 with 140 knots and land it without any mess up.

But My question is , why there is no ATC audio clearance from the tower.

My radio is keep on giving beep sound.

Please anyone can help and clear me.

Thanks in advance

Saravanan SK / India

[Max]

Greetings,

Just to explain some things about ILS first:

There are 3 categories of ILS approaches..

CAT II where both the horisontal and vertical guidance is given by the ILS station. And with the CAT II Autopilot installed onboard the aircraft you can do a full approach and manually take over the control around decision height.

CAT III similar to the previous one, only it is called a full ILS approach meaning that the autopilot comes off after the aircraft is safely on the runway...usually below 80 knots for comemrcial jets and 60 knots for Tuboprop liners.

Also if you don't get clearence to land..it can mean that you:

Didn't ask for itOn the wrong aka inactive runway Comming in (approaching) too low you didn't ask for ILS rwy XX and therefore you weren't cleared for what you are trying


Check those circumstances and report back.

Happy landings :wink:

[saravanan]

Hi Maxell's Ghost

Thanks for your reply.

I think you misunderstood my question.

I only need to know in ILS landing why ATC is not involving.

Only they give clearance if we use "`" and ask for full stop landing.Or
IFR. But in ILS no interaction with the aircraft.

I am told that in ILS landing is automated without ATC people involment.

IS IT RIGHT?

Please clear me

Thanks

Saravanan SK/ India

[Max]

You to approach: Approach, {callsign} is XX miles NE (or any other direstction) requesting ILS rwy 30.

Approach to you: {callesign} you are cleared for ILS rwy 30, decend to XXXX report when established. Tower on XXX.xx

You to approach: Cleared for ILS rwy 30, down to XXXX will report when established, tower on XXX.xx {callsign}

You to approach: {callsign} is localizer established.

Approach to you: Roger, {callsign} contact tower on XXX.xx

You to Tower: Tower, {callsign} is for ILS rwy 30 XX miles out at XXXX feet.

Tower to you: Roger {callsign} clered to land rwy 30 Wind XXX @ XX KT QHN XXXX

You to tower: Cleared to land rwy 30 wind XXX @ XX



That should be the way a full procedure ILS approach should look like...with proper runway and frequencu tags ofcourse.


Quote: I think you misunderstood my question.

What I don't understand is why do you have 2 usernames? :?

[wheelright]

Hi saravanan,
Since you didn't mention filing a flight plan, I offer this as a possibility;
I've never used FS2002 but, in FS2004, in order to have controller involvement with your approach, you have to file and IFR flight plan. This is done through the flight planner when setting up the flight or by selecting the option to select an IFR approach from the ATC comm window during the flight.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, I would assume that the process is similar for both versions. It seem to remember reading somewheree that, filing for IFR in-flight is not possible with 2002 but again, someone who know's 2002 would have to confirm that.

[Max]

Actually flight plan doesn't have to be IFR for an ILS approach to be performed...unless there are severe visibility limitations that would require an Instrument plan to be filed. On the other hand I haven't noticed that you can request an ILS approach in FS2004 (didn't try 2002) and that what ever you fly and how ever you fly it, the ATC will consider it an appropriate approach for those conditions.

[wheelright]

Maxell's ghost,

You are correct in that you don't need to file an IFR flight plan to use ILS. The way I read the saravanan's initial post, he's doing pretty good with the ILS part of it, he's just not getting any guidance from ATC. In order for that to happen, you have to be on an approved flight plan.

In 2004, to file and IFR flight plan while in flight, you hit "alt", select "flights" on menu bar and then select "flight planner" and do your thing making sure that you click the IFR box. When it asks you if you want to move your AC to the airport listed, select "no". That let's you pick up the flight plan from your present location. When you get back to the cockpit, you will have a choice in the ATC window to request IFR clearance as filed. From that point on, you are directed along your route and handed-off as required until you are on the ground.

I may be wrong but, I thought that's what saravanan was asking for. I just don't know if you can do this in 2002 or do you have to file IFR before you start.

Edit: One more thing I just noticed. You said; "...and that what ever you fly and how ever you fly it, the ATC will consider it an appropriate approach for those conditions." This is not so. If you try to take off or land in conditions that are below VFR minimums without an IFR flight plan, FS9 ATC will deny permission.

[Left Flyer]

aha! fellow indian flying close!

agree with wheelright on all counts..sometimes when I have VFR clearance, I still go ILS and let the airport take over.. its an easy way out as long as you know ur airport's settings and maintain those before going instrumental (!).. then its a glide...literally!

Saravanan, if you are hot on taking tower permisions, you will have to file a flight plan...something you can even do while in-flight...as wheelright has detailed. By procedure, it is normally required if the airport is facing bad weather and has gone ILS for all take-offs/landings...you will not get lnding clearance in such a scenario..my idea is to do it whenever I am fed with my rate of descent and need a cup of tea!

hmm..afterthought..you will need to learn how to file a flight plan if you need to know the settings of your airport. FYI, for VIDP..my airport, default ILS runway is 28 and you need to be at 2300ft to hit the localizer. Try it...will meet you down at the gas station.. :D

[Max]

Quote: Edit: One more thing I just noticed. You said; "...and that what ever you fly and how ever you fly it, the ATC will consider it an appropriate approach for those conditions." This is not so. If you try to take off or land in conditions that are below VFR minimums without an IFR flight plan, FS9 ATC will deny permission.

I was talking about Approaches.....the stupid thing is that without filing an IFT flight plan you can't go for ILS on approach...not in FS. Therefore if you happen to be in ait, and the conditions drop below JAA minimums for a VFR flight you will not get permission to land on any airport in FS...and that *beep* stupid.

[wheelright]

Maxell said:
"I was talking about Approaches.....the stupid thing is that without filing an IFT flight plan you can't go for ILS on approach...not in FS. Therefore if you happen to be in ait, and the conditions drop below JAA minimums for a VFR flight you will not get permission to land on any airport in FS...and that *beep* stupid."

I'm not sure that I'm following you here. I'm not a real pilot but, I am an AOPA member and from what I've been able to gather from their extensive resources, FS9 has it pretty much right. If conditions at an airport are below VFR minimums, you have very limited choices. You can file for IFR if you are qualified or you have to go someplace with VFR conditions if landing, or wait for the weather to improve if departing. Both of these are possible in FS9.

The only thing that FS9 doesn't offer is the following. In the real world, there is the option for an exception to the IFR certification requirement if the appropriate conditions exist and you think you can manage it. I can't recall the exact name for it. ATC will not offer this option, it's up to the pilot to request it. This will get you down through the soup if VFR conditions exist below or off the ground if VFR exist close by. This is done with radar vectors, if facilities are available and the pilot is familiar with the procedures. But again, it's left up to the pilot to judge his instrument abilities and request it and it's up to ATC to approve it based on local weather conditions.

I think that I can understand why every option can't be included in FS9. It's not perfect but still, it's pretty extensive as it is.

[wheelright]

My apologies to SKSARA. I believe that I have confused your hometown from your signature line with your handle. Sorry :oops: