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09El_Boissevain · Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 838 Location: Cairo, Egypt

Once I was making a very long FsPassengers flight with a GA aircraft (Mooney Bravo) going 666nm from South France to Morocco. Within 70nm of arrival, I got a message saying:
"Your computer has run out of available memory. Flight Simulator will now quit. Try a Disc Cleanup, then restart Flight Simulator..."

This was the most annoying message in the history of Flight Simulator. After 3 long hours of flight I get a message that says I need to restart FS even though I have well over 50GB free sapce on my hard drives. What on earth?????!!!! :evil:

Capt. El :x 8O :o :cry:

Mythrilfan · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject:

well then, how much and how fast RAM You got?

09El_Boissevain · Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 838 Location: Cairo, Egypt

I have NO IDEA on how fast my drive is, but I can say the drive containing FS had at least 17GB free space. Drive C (system drive) at least 5GB sapce. I have 1 GB RAM and that's most what I know :lol: .

Capt. El

Mythrilfan · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject:

ok, the reason probarbly is that You free ram got the bullet. meaning, it was too full of stuff and could not handle it any longer. thus it flushed itself and killed fs9.exe. this could happen if Your ram is too slow or when You have too many things running at once. or a bad memory controller. or everything togerther, come to that. nothing really to do about that. keep less stuff running.

tropicalfish · Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 863

RAM = Random Access Memory.

THis has NOTHING to do with your hard drive. your hard drive can not serve as the RAM because the computer needs to access things in very little time. How much RAM or memory do you have? not hard drive, RAM. Maybe you have too many other programs running.. exit all instant messengers, AIM, Yahoo! Instant Messenger, windows, such as firefox, internet explorer, other games, desktop stuff, also, if you want to, stop your antivirus... then, when you are done, start them back up again. Something i recommend to you is Smart Close. I forgot where i got it... somewhere in the forum i heasrd about it... you can ask skipperdan... hes the one that found out about it

121a · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject:

this will close all background taks not needed for windows to run properly.
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/smartclose.html
Yes it is free, and easy to use. :D

rd · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject:

Actually, I had the problem a few months ago when I changed G-cards. I went from my 5200 to my now 6600GT. First thing I got was *not enough memory* or something to that effect.
I still had 20?GB FREE.

However, I don't remember what I did to correct it. It is in the forums, but not sure under what.

RD

09El_Boissevain · Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 838 Location: Cairo, Egypt

Mythrilfan wrote: ok, the reason probarbly is that You free ram got the bullet. meaning, it was too full of stuff and could not handle it any longer. thus it flushed itself and killed fs9.exe. this could happen if Your ram is too slow or when You have too many things running at once. or a bad memory controller. or everything togerther, come to that. nothing really to do about that. keep less stuff running.
Yes, I was running some programs like Firefox and MSN Messenger and Outlook Express while my airplane was cruising smoothly over Spain and into Morocco. That might have aused the problem.
And T-Fish, I said I have 1 GB RAM, which should be able to handle a whole lot of processing, right? Does downloading 4 downloads at a time affect this also? And will upgrading to 3GB RAM also hep this?

Capt. El

Mythrilfan · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject:

You missed a number, there's a "2" between 1 and 3. 2 gigs would probarbly be enough to keep that from happening again. but wow, You got quite some programs running there! i dont like the fact that You downloaded 4 files, it keeps You HD busy. that way it can not write the swap file fast enough and it must utilize more ram. but why, WHY do You use outlook express? microsofts greatest crap! switch to thunderbird, now. Oh, and one of firefox's features is almost a memory leak which will keep some visited sites in ram until You close it. it can be adjusted, but just for a heads-up, ff can eat a LOT of ram.

capt.PropwashKCHS · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject:

easiest thing to say .... the more the RAM, the more the processes you can run.

if you put in 5 Gigs of ram ( thats a heck of a lot !!! 8O ) the more stuff you can run in the background. (though i also do not recommend it).

you can download more craft, songs, other programs, and maybe, just maybe, be able to squeeze by with FS 02 / 04 running also. I personally have only 1 gig of ram, 851.29 MB available physical memory with absolutely nothing running but the desktop. With Y! Tunnel Pro, Yahoo! Messenger, AIM Triton, AOL, Limewire (songs), AND FS9 running all at the same time it drops to a staggering just over 600 MB; guess im just lucky.

though as Tropicalfish said "your hard drive can not serve as the RAM because the computer needs to access things in very little time." ~~ this is true, but yet part of your harddrive is "sectioned off" or used in a manner "like" ram. it temporarily puts information off to one side, looks at it, then sends it to RAM. ... thus why do you think your harddrive needs to be defraged once a month??? because it becomes fragmented cause it moves around files when you try to open something and it goes looking through all the folders. .... .... .... you try having 10,000+ folders in your living room (harddrive), and see if you can keep everything together if you are looking for 1 piece of paper to put in the mailbox (ram) outside.

09El_Boissevain · Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 838 Location: Cairo, Egypt

Good point. But did you know that you are able to manually set your virtual memory? But it will take up some HD space. I have now trippled the Virtual Memory, since it was present only on my fullest drive ( :!: ). Now I trippled it be putting the same amount of VM on my other drives (I have 3 HD drives).

Good point Propwash and I am taking into consideration of upgrading my RAM, GFX Card and HD.

Capt. El

Mythrilfan · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject:

You guys know that 32-bit systems are limited to a mere 4 gigs of ram?

Tenspace · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject:

By increasing your virtual memory you can also slow down your system. Why? Because memory that might have been read from fast RAM chips is now being slogged off the queue of the hard disk.

Increasing it is beneficial if you are running out of physical memory, but don't overdo it. 50% above your physical limit is good for most tasks - if you have a gig of RAM, I wouldn't run more than 512MB virtual.

To chip in to the multi-tasking/memory usage conversation, here's what I had running last night:

FS2004
PIC 737
ActiveSky6
Radar Contact
FSPassengers
Windows Task Manager (performance graph)
ASUS AIBooster (system temps)
NVIDIA Display CP (GPU temp)
Adobe Photoshop (for pasting screenshots)
Internet Explorer - myairplane.com (for approach plates)
Internet Explorer - weather.com (for checking where the cool weather is)
Internet Explorer/Media Player - liveatc.net - for real chatter during flights.
Norton Internet Security - active, not disabled

Also, the control panels for video, sound card, network, etc.

My maximum memory usage hit just over 1GB, about 1120MB. And I was still getting excellent frame rates.

Tenspace · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject:

09El_Boissevain wrote: Good point. But did you know that you are able to manually set your virtual memory? But it will take up some HD space. I have now trippled the Virtual Memory, since it was present only on my fullest drive ( :!: ). Now I trippled it be putting the same amount of VM on my other drives (I have 3 HD drives).

Good point Propwash and I am taking into consideration of upgrading my RAM, GFX Card and HD.

Capt. El

Hey El, don't spend before sharing with us your final decisions. We all want to see you get the best equipment for the money!

Mythrilfan · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:

tenspace, wow, that is a lot of programs. i understand You have a murderer pc too so its okay. but do You really want to get most of that (here comes my promotional talk again, woo-hoo), drop IE. If You're using outlook express for e-mails, drop that too for Thunderbird. You dont know what You're missing. Oh, and keeping photoshop open for pasting screenshots is... stupid. why would You want to do that? Just get a screenshot maker program (what should i call them?) like MGrab. They do it all for You so You dont have to keep such programs open and switch between tasks all the time.

just suggestions, keep it cool :wink: