My reverse decision, leaning towards RD's findings, was not quite in the context at which you put it......... When I made the first video recording, I drasticly reduced my settings that I normally run FSX at before the experiment, and because of this, I did not notice the drop in FPS, and I still maintain that the resuts I achieved were much better quality than Fraps, It wasn't until RD reprted back with his own findings, that I pushed my settings back up to the norm for my PC, only then did I notice frame rate issue, and as RD said, it did become jer, but hasten to add, the picture quality was still good.
Using fraps in the past, I have always noticed some fluffyness in the finished article, there was none of this present using this new recording process, and of course, uploading to web sites like YouTube, it only gets worse, my thoughts were that if the finished vid came out better than Fraps, then hopefully, the playback from YouTube would be that much better.
The sound issue, I am not sure if it will be possible to iron this out, I tried every which way but loose to overcome the problem, all to no avail, and as RD pointed out, usually music is incorporated into the video, so that would eleviate the need for the video soundtrack, but with the few Vids I have done myself, and using Windows Movie Maker, It's nice to to have an engine sound just below the music level, something thats available in windows movie maker, via the seperate sound channels.
I was hoping that others here would have jumped on the bandwagon, other than just RD and myself, maybe someone might have just discovered something we could have missed.
If anyone still wishes to take up and continue this challenge, then I will give them my full support, but as I said earlier, with FSX being as greedy as it is, I cant see how these two can run together with any degree of sucess.
Oh, I understand just fine. I have often thought about doing some FS vid's, have even dreamed up some scripts while driving to work. I'm just not sure about eating giant holes in my freespace after the last agonizing drive cleaning...."oooh yeah, dont wanna delete that, and oh man, better leave that one there, might need it". As to the sound issue, do you hear the sound while flying/recording?
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Yes, you still have sound while recording. At least I do.
I spent about 45 minutes just on the video side of the default. In other words, trying to find out why mine was so glitchy, and Mels so smooth. Guess what, it is in the settings. It does not like to do alot of texture rendering at all.
When I figured out that part, then I reset my settings back to where they were.
Sound was next on my agenda. I probably spent at least 1.5 hrs just on that, if not more. I know what I am doing with FSX as I do FS9. Some accidental, some by knowing/understanding what makes it tick, move, die. I also know how to manipulate what I want. And get it. I'm probably related to the first guy to remove a skull cap, to see the brain, while your still alive and awake.
Unless you know how to decode and recode FSX, you are not going to get any engine sounds.......PERIOD. At least not through FSX. You may try using a mic and recording the engine sound while flying, and then add it when you edit it. Then edit in the music, and adjust the level of the import engine sounds and music, to your satisfaction.
I also edited your post Jaeger to make it easier to understand and read. Hope ya don't mind.
hmmm...I have a couple of ideas about the sound, have to check them out. As long as you are hearing it, it can be recorded. I'll get back to this, be patient. btw, my idea has to do with windows and sound device settings.....
Managed to get this very short clip up on YouTube, for some reason the video speed has become a problem again, this clip is running too fast, nearly double speed..... but even in this, you can see how eratic the movement is compared to Fraps. There is also some loss in quality from YouTube.
I am wondering if we manage to introduce sound over the video, is it going to drag the frame rate down in FSX even further.
I am also, now and again having trouble with the speed of the video, I am pretty sure this is happening during the editing inside Windows Movie Maker, the raw footage from FSX, runs normal, once edited, and saved in WMV, it runs a lot quicker than normal.
Is it possible to force FSX to save video clips in any other format other than AVI ?.
One more piece of footage that I just uploaded to Y/T. This time with music. You will see what I mean about running fast in this clip.
Oh, I understand just fine. I have often thought about doing some FS vid's, have even dreamed up some scripts while driving to work. I'm just not sure about eating giant holes in my freespace after the last agonizing drive cleaning...."oooh yeah, dont wanna delete that, and oh man, better leave that one there, might need it". As to the sound issue, do you hear the sound while flying/recording?
GS, You can always upload them to locations like Y/T, and then delete them from your drive, or maybe even save them to disc, and look back at them in years to come when we all have holograms......... And say to others, Geesh..... I remeber them old colour movies.....
I also edited your post Jaeger to make it easier to understand and read. Hope ya don't mind. (RD)
I don't mind a bit, RD. As you can see, I'm still struggling with *beep* quotes. Is there a tute on how these work? As much I enjoy these forums, I get so frustrated when I can't make the controls work for me.
Does Windows Movie Maker allow saving in other video formats other than WMV? If so, may I suggest that one of you attempt to edit a short clip and save it in another format and play it back with Media Player. Any differences noted?
Does YouTube allow you to post in more than one video format?
Another thing occurs to me. Has anyone investigated the possibility of this being a video or audio codec issue? Perhaps there are newer codecs that might produce better results??? Just a stab in the dark.
Jaeg-
EDIT: Has anyone tested Windows Sound recorder? Just for the fun of it, I opened up FS9, then activated Windows XP Sound Recorder and hit the record button. Then returned to my flight and recorded a 1 minute long audio clip of my flight. It recorded perfectly.
Windows Sound Recorder has two interesting features under the EDIT drop down menu. Insert File and Mix With File. None of this makes any sense to me, but it's another possible lead toward a solution.
EDIT 2: If there truly is no audio recording possible in FSX (with regard to creating flight videos), I personally agree with Mel in that I would certainly like to have the capablity of inserting engine startup sounds, as well as ATC to some degree into my videos.
I believe this is entirely possible, as I mentioned just above by utilizing Windows Sound Recorder. Typically speaking, no'one is going to make a feature film length flight video. Ten, fifteen minutes at most??? But if one were to record audio of any given flight, then edit out the parts not wanted in Windows Movie Maker and mix it in with any soundtrack.
Heck, for that matter, one could plug in a microphone and record ones own voice in responses to ATC. It would be conceivably no more difficult than adding a soundtrack, just a bit more editing in WMM.
This all presupposes that Windows Vista also has Movie Maker and Sound Recorder?
Jaeg-
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Does Windows Movie Maker allow saving in other video formats other than WMV? If so, may I suggest that one of you attempt to edit a short clip and save it in another format and play it back with Media Player. Any differences noted?
Does YouTube allow you to post in more than one video format?
Another thing occurs to me. Has anyone investigated the possibility of this being a video or audio codec issue? Perhaps there are newer codecs that might produce better results??? Just a stab in the dark.
Jaeg-
I cant see any way of changing the output format from Windows Movie Maker WMV seems to be the only option.
The reason I chose Windows Movie, was because I assumed that everyone would have it, but another movie editor may prove more fruitful, something I will look into.
With regard to Y/T, this is what they recomend:
MPEG4 (Divx, Xvid) format
320x240 resolution
MP3 audio
30 frames per second
YouTube accepts video files from most digital cameras, camcorders, and cell phones in the .WMV, .AVI, .MOV, and .MPG file formats.
There is one reason for the Y/T chop, they prefer mpeg4 for the bandwidth issue related to video presentation. Do your .WMV's have the same degradation when you view them prior to upload? And, yeah, that's where I was going with my sound recording solution. I had done it in 98SE but had not yet checked it out (or had the need to) in XP.
There is very little degradation in the WMV vid when it comes out of Windows Movie M. And for some strange reason, I sill get this speeding up of the video, cant seem to figure out why it's doing it, It's fine before it goes into editing with WMM, but out the other other side, it's fast, almost double speed, i'm sure there's an answer, but I have not found it yet.
Also I have not yet found any other Video Editing Software that is good enough to achieve a decent result, tried 3 or 4, but not really worth the effort, If someone else knows of a shareware prog, because that's what it's all about at the moment, is to bring this to everyone, not just those who can afford it.
I don't know about others, but without being able to get the sound with the video, seems to me to be a big disapointment, I would have liked to been able to enhance background sounds at times during the video, either engines, and/or ATC chat, this level could be raised above any musical soundtrack, and then lowered again when the time suited, this much I have mastered with Fraps and WMM.
I have tried to update all my codecs, but nothing seems to work. Maybe it's a quirk in FSX thats not allowing it to happen.
If only the video format could be changed within FSX, this whole project could be taken to it's ultimate goal, but I can't see it happening, shame it's FSX that falls at the first hurdle.
Still....... I tried, and here is my final video on the project, still running too fast, but if you have a decent 5.1 surround sound system, as I do, then just enjoy the music, Pretty sure that RD will.
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