i agree rythmosaur. having a dad who is a doctor, i know a little bit about the pay. since the insurance for being a doctor is so high (malpractice), and the economy is low (at least in the us) many doctors pay has gone down to about half of what it was last year. the insurance rates have also tripled since last year.
But then it depends on what kind of doctor you are.
Location: Hamilton (Cincinnati), Ohio, USA ID: KHAO
Age: 41
Gender: Male
First, must ask: What's your problem with the Airforce? Don't want to learn from and fly with the best? Or don't want to defend the country that you live in?
Second: In the US, we have something called the Civil Air Patrol. It's an auxillary division of the USAF and is a GREAT thing for kids to get involved in here. They usually go flying several times a year, are active in community things including search and rescue ops for missing people, etc... Very very good experience.
Third: Definately check out the AOPA web site. And that goes for everyone here. EVERYONE that cares at all about aviation should join the AOPA. I am a lifetime member and have been for many years. GREATest thing I ever did for my flying.
I grew up in airplanes. My dad always had 1 and up to 4 planes at one time. I was always in a plane from the time I was 2 and he taught me to fly at 8. I couldn't reach the pedals, but I could take off, fly routes, do emergency procedures, and land the plane. I couldn't talk on the radio either as that is regulated. My kids all love to fly. Ages/sex 19b, 13g, 8g, and identical twin boys that are 6. They call our airport THEIR airport and like me, they would live there if they could. My 19 year old will have his license this year (paying for it himself) and my 13 year old is ready to solo, only has to wait for age now... FLY - there is NOTHING like it!!!!
Im learning to fly now in Australia. it costs about $30 000 down here for your CPL, Multi engine, NVFR...Im not sure if that is included in other countries, i assume it is. It is great fun and i am lookign forward to taking off soemone great by my self without an old bloke beside me telling me im doing this and that wrong.
Here in the land of aus, Getting into the Airforce is probably the hardest occupation to get into. (in Australia) Several of my mates from my flight school tried ot get in and yeh they didnt do so good. I would love to be a Fighter pilot or just a plan pilot in the RAAF, The pay is great the lifestyle is great and just to be able to say your a pilot of a F-111, or F18 or whateva would just blow me apart. The only thing i regret in doing this training is the burden it is on my parents because there paying half of it.
If i was you i would get soem flight experience under your belt first of all to see if you actually like the lifestyle...( theres a lot of sitting around ), 2nd of all after you, say get your PPL, apply for the Airforce. They give you not only a career and training and pay while you learn they also give you something that everyone including other pilots are in awe of. I think im just dribbling here abit so ill shut up now.
hi. rythmo, I meant which is more respectable doctor or pilot. Anyway I am 13 and live in the UK. Is it possible to fly a plane? My dad was a pilot and he could supervise me. Also how much would it cost? Thanks.
I surpose you could go for the cheapest option witch would be look arounds for sponsership's or get training via the RAF.
And there BA's sponsership were they will training you ands you pay it off off a period of years wilst flying for of course and there are very rare anyway.
Location: Hamilton (Cincinnati), Ohio, USA ID: KHAO
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Yeah, some airlines (rare now, but a few still do it) will train you to fly for them. Usually, the standard way to do things in the US anyways is this:
- Attend flight school and get your private, instrument, commercial, cfi, cfii, atp.
- Be a flight instructor to build your time. (I LOVED doing this myself, but I have friends that swear they would, did, and always will HATE it)
- Once at 1500 hours minimum, you start applying to airlines.
- If you are lucky, and they are in need, you get a job as a flight engineer or co-pilot on the crappiest flights there are, with crappy hours, into crappy airports on crappy (usually turboprop) regional flights.
- You pay your dues for a few years while life seriously sucks, and then you get the call.. You get to fly right seat on a nice jetliner. You spend years there, then you get the call again... Left seat on your baby. Your name goes on the side under your window, and life is GREAT as you work nice hours, great pay, and only work about 6-9 months a year.
- Then it comes,...the dream job of all ATP's... The job that lets you fly where you want, when you want, and you work a whopping 3-4 days a week...for 4-6 months a year.
I have friends in every aspect of that story. A few never made it past the commuter hops. A couple love it there, and a couple couldn't hack the crap you must deal with being a low life new pilot.
I never wished to fly ATP. I got my ATP because I wanted to learn everything I could possibly know. I took a year of glider training along with stunt flying. This will make you such a better pilot you can't even fathom until you do it. Then you will understand. I then flew in the USCG. Flew both jets and choppers. I now fly for me, when I want, where I want, period. To me, flying as a job would ruin it for me. Unless I decide to fly as instructor again, which I loved. I love teaching and I love seeing people do something they love. I see through their eyes how I was when I first learned. It is NEVER ho hum or dull either.
I highly recommend the millitary for people wanting to fly. And take this hint... If you want to go that route, do NOT get a license before hand. That can actually hurt your chances to get into flight school. At most, ONLY get your private, and then, don't get many hours in.. They want to teach you THEIR way and not have you doing things WRONG from the get go.
Starwarsodai2: Your dad can let you fly with him if he wishes. You however can not legally sit in the left hand seat unless you have a student certificate (which is just a medical in the US). Also, you can't count any hours at all unless your dad is a CFI. He can teach you like my dad taught me. ...but it means nothing if not a licensed instructor.
yeh here in australia the best way to get in is to show whoeva is testing you that you actually want to fly and that their not wasting their time and tax payers money. Thats y i said before about getting soem hours under your belt to show them you have an interest in flying.
Im sorry to drag the physics thing up again but I just woke up and this forum has came out of now where, anyway as I was saying: Since the number of people who actually want to be a pilot are so immense and the people who have the hard job of dealing with applications and they come across two people's apps and student A has passed his Standard grades, his highers and he has a degree in physics or maths whereas Student B has passed his standard grades(just) his highers and he went to uni. but flunked.
Who do you think they are going to choose?
Flunky or Mr.Degree?
This is happening all the time with people interested in becoming a pilot and in my opinion I think you should join your local air cadets(best thing I ever did!!) and if you don't want to join the RAF I don't think your going to get very far as the costs these days for training can be humungous, I was recently speaking to a careers officer not that I need to know what Im going to do but she looked up the careers on the internet and to train for private pilots licence it would cost approximately £60K, now with today being the way it is, that could easily climb to £80K or even £100K.
I personally know what im doing which is to join the RAF as an NCO. Why NCO-because a buddy in the services told me never to join as part of the rif-raf, and as he was in Iraq recently he told me of what it was like seeing all the ordinary soldiers in the queen's army. He said that most didn't know what normal life was-had just joined the army with no quallies, shame!!
Well back to the matter in hand-stay out of my booze! No seriously just keep your head down, don't get in with the wrong crowd and good luck I suppose!!
Derek "The Cod"
I meant which is more respectable doctor or pilot.
That means I got you right which I hoped I did not. This is a comparison of apples to potatoes. What do both of them do?
The pilot takes responsibility of his life, the life of his passengers, the freight and an aircraft he usually could never pay (regardless if an F14 or a Boeing 747). If he serves for the military, he also takes responsibility for his country, his mission and any people who depend on he will do his job. In combat, his actions can condemn or save lifes as well. Not to destroy an enemy tank, for example, can mean loss of many lifes of infanterists following him to storm. Not hunting down a bomber could mean the bomber will release his bombs over your camp, your mates, your equipment or even civil persons. They all depend on the pilot to do his job.
Now the doctor:
Like the pilot, the doctor has to go through a long and complicated learning process. He must know symptomes and differential diagnosises by heart, he must know about all that chemical stuff to know how medicines and drugs work and what they really do on molecular basis to judge what would the right thing to use. He also may nor make mistakes with the dosis. (Recently a baby died because a doctor using medicine just mixed up a period's space while defining the dosis. His licence is revoked, he has to pay penalty and is ruined for lifetime.) In emergencies, he has to take the right decisions in seconds, and the victim's life depends on this decisions. One step to the side and your patient is dead. A wrong diagnosis, an erroneously applied therapy or a wrong decision about what is more urgent can cause not only death but living being mentaly or bodily disabled for lifetime, sitting in a wheelchair and so on. Your job is to safe life, prevent further damage and to safe, recreate and improve health. It also means, brutally pointed out, to always be with one foot in jail, living on the razors edge, for you cannot afford a wrong decision in emergencies. And no matter what discipline you choose (just dentists are excluded for they have a differnt apperenticeship), you will have to face emergencies for you will have to serve 24h stand by services, either in your community as emergency service, or in hospital. You will work overtime, you will work changeing schedules and night shifts, and you will have to put your private and family life to the second place. You just life for your job.
Now, could anybody make a decision who of them is more respectable? Both of them are needed in their places, both of them care for other's lifes, and both of them making mistakes causes damage that cannot be undone and can destroy their own lifes as well.
Location: Hungary (LHHH local, LHBP is the intl airport here)
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Wow everybody. thanx for all the info! that was really helpful. in fact theres an airfield that i'm moving to in 1 or 2 years after we build a house. and right now its just a bikeride away. maybe i can ask my dad if we can go in the gliders one day. they cost 2000 HUF (10 dollars, sry i live in the craziest and stupidest country in the world, Hungary) though. well maybe it'll get me a start.
Rythmo, I think both are very very important jobs but one thing I still fail to comprehend is why he doesn't want to join the air force-is it the fear of dying, his mother and father disapprove, my mum disapproves and is very sad because she realises that it is final that I am joining the raf but my dad doesn't mind so much because I am defending the country i so dearly love but I guess it is what he decides!
Derek
... but one thing I still fail to comprehend is why he doesn't want to join the air force...Derek
Some people don't want to be a soldier. Some people worry about using arms. Some people cannot cope with military drill or just are frightened about it. I was medical soldier for long, so I know the people's feelings and viewpoints.
If he does not want to, and if he even does not want to give an answer about it, we have to respect it, and we have no right to insist on an answer.
Aside from that, this topic can easily become both politic and religious, and these two things shall be avoided in this forum.
@starwarsodai2: Let me answer with Ricktobon: Every time!
I agree with SpectroPro. You may invest USD $50,000.00 to get your ATP Licence, once you have it airlines will threat you like a real rockie... but you star gaining experience and start jumping to different planes, routes, and of course jumping to the left seat. At that moment you start realizing that when everything started you were a real unexperienced pilot that espended a lot of money for a pilot license.
Flying is a way of live... if you really love it, you will jump (I'm sure about that). As many posted on this forum, study hard, because once you start flying you will never stop studying.
Location: Hungary (LHHH local, LHBP is the intl airport here)
Age: 18
Gender: Male
yeah the reason im not doing air force or military is....weird. I don't believe in using guns. i'll never shoot one. ever. just i think it has to be done. saddam had to be taken out of power. taliban got out of control. but then again, i just dont want to die. life is precious, enjoy it by being a pilot! as for the people who are in the military, i applaud them and they are really heroes! anyways im taking flying lessons here in hungary for 500 bux for a glider starting november so i can't wait! i'm getting my pilots lisence before my drivers haha
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