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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: How Difficult Reply with quote

I am becoming more and more interested in editing and developing panels, and I am also interested in possibly developing simple scenery enchancements for myself. I've taken a look at FS Panel Studio and I think learning how to use this software is within my abilities.

As for developing scenery, I'm completely lost. What I have in mind is to add a few buildings and a helipad here and there, some tarmac and perhaps some static aircraft.

For those of you who have managed to master each of these of these aspects of developing, can you kindly rate the difficulty level for me (a novice) for each of these activities (if you will).

Rate FS Panel Studio 1 thru 10

Rate modest scenery development 1 thru 10

1 being the easiest, and 10 being very difficult.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have no clue about the other things, but for scenery (basic, like taxiways, runways, parking spots, helipads etc, no volumeric objects) use AFCAD.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Myth-

I have perused the archives, but I don't see anything about how difficult scenery development is or how easy it is. That's why I posed this thread. I'm hoping for responses from those members who can give me some feedback. I was seeking only to get a sense of difficulty levels, nothing more.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeager,

It is hard to put a scale value on your choices.

Lets go with a heli-pad. I can rate it a 1, because it is easy. You can get a scenery addon that will place one whereever you want it. I could also give it a 10, because you would have to build it your self using GMAX and what not.

It all very much depends on what you want. Do you want a simple building with just paint on it. Or a building that is extemely detailed, with textures of a wood roof, metal siding, etc.

Whatever it is you would like to do, will involve alot of time and trial and error. You should be aware that you will also have to purchase some programs to do what you want.

I am not trying to discourage your dream, just trying to give some help.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks RD,

Your response goes right to the heart of the matter, and I thank you. I'm not very interested in working with programs that are require coding and editing X's and O's.

Based on your response, I'm thinking that working with FS Scenery is something that I can live without. My time restrictions and "boredom factor" limit me to more intuitive programs that offer something akin to drag and drop technology. *beep* building from a list and drop it on map coordinates. Smile So, scenery editing is not gonna be high on my list until it becomes more simplified. Something more akin to "The Sims" line of programs. Hilarious I know, but I'm serious.

A few days ago, I requested help for editing a particular Horst Paetzold helicopter Panel and have gotten no response to date. That panel has features that I'm really excited about, but it has too many redundant gauges, and no documentation whatsoever for operating the panel. Aargh! Nothing worse than a panel that is robust with features, but no supportive documentation. Aargh! Because my "Fishing Expedition for a good Panel Editor has met with negative results, I thought, "What the heck, maybe I can do it myself".

FS Panel Studio is an affordable solution and it looks like something that I can manage to muddle my way through. It definitely looks more intuitive than editing Scenery Files.

Thanks again,

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeager.

All is not lost as for scenery add ons. Runway12 Object Placer is a great addon. Go to AVSIM, or here and get it. Also, AVSIM has addons to Object Placer that can be added on. The work has been done for you. All you have to do is run it, run FS9, and place whatever you would like, whereever you would like.

It is a very easy scenery addon that works great for those that don't have the time, money, experience to build thier own.

Please, check it out. I used it to make a lame a/p, to a cool a/p. Check out Lewisaire. I made that a/p using Object Placer.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RD, I've located RWY12_v1_1.zip and wonder if this is the most current version?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeager,

Not sure, but possibly is. Did you get it here or at AVSIM??


RD

EDIT BY RD: Hey, AVSIM has the 1.2 zip. Type in *Object Placer * in the extended search section, go to page 3, then go down 3-5 downloads.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RD,

I found it here at SurClaro.

Is this pretty much a stand alone program, or do I need anything else to make it function.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaeger,

Just unzip, PRINT OUT the readme, and your on your way.

There are quite a few addons that accompany Object Placer (OP). I would highly recommend getting some of them. Beacon Towers, Tower Beacons, something like that, is a great addon for OP. As well as a few others, I don't remember right now.

It is a stand alone program. AFCAD would be worthwile to get, but not neccessary.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RD,

I've downloaded rwy12, but when I tried to install it, the installer tells me that I must first download and install msxml.msi file (5,166 kb). I followed the link provided in the download package but the site says the file can't be found. I tried a search at Microsoft and managed to locate a file called Microsoft Core XML Services (MSXML) 6.0, but don't know if this is the proper file.

Also, I'm required to download and install Microsoft's Dotnetfx NET framework. This file I am able to find. But am holding off everything until I get the MSXML thing figured out first.

Any help greatly appreciated

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, noo problem,

(Heck, I've had mine so long I forgot about those, sorry)

Go ahead and get everything, and install them. The msxml6.0 is newer than mine, so I just might have to update it. It works with RWY12. To do RWY12, you don't have to worry about the other programs and what they do. But you have to have them. I will explain later, to keep this short.

Have you printed out the readme for it. If not, then do so, easier to work with. Then try and install something, anything, anywhere. Then I will explain what the other programs do to help in editing what you just installed.

RD

PS: I am getting the newest version, so I can see what differences there are, if any.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any serious Flight Simmer must have the Abacus Panel designer ($30). Most panels have public domain junk gauges that may or may not function with FS04.. There are some quirks about the Designer. When you change gauges be sure to save panel. Sometimes designer will hang up and you will lose all changes you haven't saved.

Designer is a "drag and drop" type. Easy to use. Although sub panels are a bit tricky. When adding or changing subpanels be sure to do a hard save of the panel before you start. Do not trust the Designer "auto save" feature..

Designer comes with a bunch of neat gauges plus digital gauges... You can "borrow" gauges from any AC installed.. There are a lot of free gauges out there.

My favorite is "Cockpit commander". It takes the work out of keeping radios and AP updated. Plus it makes ATC communication much easier...

There some AC with "tricked out" panels that Designer will not work... I avoid these planes as their panels are filled with mostly junk gauges or weird hard to read digitals....

My old Otter DH3pzl has a better panel than the stock 737s...
Taws3400,, Active Sky weather radar,, Bendix Beech 350 HSI,, digital trim,, digital RA,, digital altitude,,AP and good radio stack. Fuel monitor panel, time and temp,, "warp" speed clock (neat way to cross the tundra)...

Me and the Otter putt along at 135mph across Alaska flying between the mountain peaks and volcanoes. Otter doesn't like to fly above 8000...
Landing in mountain lakes is a hoot...

The Learjet is boring. Takeoff,, cruise at 25000,, descend,, land.. Boring...

PS.. Birdseye Spring is beautiful on the Tundra....

PS.. Semper Fi... Love the Corps....

Tj


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaeg,

If you got it from here, then it is the 1.1 version. The 1.2 isn't here, or I missed it.

Either way, they all still work the same.

RD
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