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Behrentzs  SurClaro senior forum member Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Total posts: 579 Location: Denmark Age: 17 Gender: Male
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Yo there 
I just wanted to know if any of ur guys liked to tell me about the rules about the airplanes lightning? Let's take a 737NG. I know the bacons should be turned on when the motor is running, but not much more about all the lights  |
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MaxSurClaro senior forum member Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Total posts: 673 Location: LQSA Age: 43 Gender: Male
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Regardless of which airplane it is the rules are as follows:
NAV Lights (red/green on the wingtips): must be on when ever the crew in aboard, and the airplane has electrical power.
Rotating Beacon (one on the underbelly, the other on the top of the airplane's fuselage): Must be on when the airplane engines are running. Turned on prior to engine startup to warn the surroundings about the possible jetblast around....
Taxi Light: when ever the airplane is maneuvering around the apron or the airport ground area. Should be turned off prior to entering the gate for marshaller's comfort.
RWY Turnoff lights: Same as Taxi lights, though they can be ommited. It's more of a "at pilot's discretion" light. When making turns fr example, to have beter visual to the left and right of the nose.
Logo Lights/Wing Lights: at pilot's/company's discretion. Allow better visual of the wing leading edge for icing check purposes.
Landing lights are usually located on the wing-root and turned on prior to entering the runway and turned back off after takeoff, usually at 10.000 feet. They are again turned on when descending thru 10.000 feet and off when vacating the runway.
Strobes: Very annoying lil' buggers which are only on when the airplane is on the active runway and airborne. On the ground they are always turned off, because they're strobes.... can annoy the hell out of fellow pilots, and cause temporary vision problems (glares is what they call it, eh? Vision spots....)
There ya go.....
BTW, I think this has been explained a lot of times in the past.....might be just me....  |
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BehrentzsSurClaro senior forum member Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Total posts: 579 Location: Denmark Age: 17 Gender: Male
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Thx a lot, Max. Sorry, must say that i havn't searched the whole forum to see if it already was explained Will do next time
And one thing more. I have also heard something about the strobes only should be turned on when the vis is low, when it is night and when departing/approching? I'm wrong? |
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dmshakes SurClaro.com Regular Forum Member Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Total posts: 114 Gender: Unknown
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Just a comment.
not that puttin the NAV's on for engines running or really all the time is a bad idea. However it is not LEGAL requirement unless it is after legal sunset time (not legal night but sunset) Other than that you basicly have got it.
also when in cloud (especially at night) STROBES OFF or you are blinded by the reflection of the light off the cloud
same with landing lights.
when landing in fog at night the landing lights are often not used because like high beams on a car they make it worse.
ask anything else you want for operational uses |
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MaxSurClaro senior forum member Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Total posts: 673 Location: LQSA Age: 43 Gender: Male
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First of all, the NAV lights haven't got anything to do with the "engines running" question. That's the Beacons that are matching that question.
Second, according to the JAR OPS document Subpart K, paragraph 1.640 the NAV lights are a requirement for both day and nitght operation. |
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BehrentzsSurClaro senior forum member Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Total posts: 579 Location: Denmark Age: 17 Gender: Male
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now i'm confused 
Nav on the whole time or??? |
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| rd Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Total posts: 3777 Location: COMFORTABLY NUMB, in U.S.A. *** KOFF *** Age: 51 Gender: Male
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JAR–OPS 1.640 Aeroplane operating lights
An operator shall not operate an aeroplane unless
it is equipped with:
(a) For flight by day:
(1) Anti-collision light system;
(2) Lighting supplied from the
aeroplane’s electrical system to provide adequate
illumination for all instruments and equipment
essential to the safe operation of the aeroplane;
(3) Lighting supplied from the
aeroplane’s electrical system to provide
illumination in all passenger compartments; and
(4) An electric torch for each required
crew member readily accessible to crew members
when seated at their designated station.
(b) For flight by night, in addition to equipment
specified in paragraph (a) above:
(1) Navigation/position lights; and
(2) Two landing lights or a single light
having two separately energised filaments; and
(3) Lights to conform with the
International regulations for preventing collisions
at sea if the aeroplane is a Seaplane or an
Amphibian.
Assuming that the NAV lights are also considered anti-collision lights, then yes, they are on all the time when under power.
RD |
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MaxSurClaro senior forum member Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Total posts: 673 Location: LQSA Age: 43 Gender: Male
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| NAV lights are the same as anti-colision lights. Which ever airplane you look (just not the freeware FS panels because people put all sorts of stuff on there) you will never see a switch labeled "Anti-colision" and "Nav" on the same panel. It's either one or the other. |
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BehrentzsSurClaro senior forum member Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Total posts: 579 Location: Denmark Age: 17 Gender: Male
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Thx for the answears, guys. Now i'm in  |
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capt.PropwashKCHS SurClaro senior forum member Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Total posts: 791 Location: KCHS, Charletson, South Carolina Age: 28 Gender: Male
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coming from someone that actually worked for US AIRWAYS for 6 months loading and unloading 737-300, 400... B1900... CRJ-200... E-120... CRJ-700... ERJ-145 and the occasional 757
red anticollision beacons (top and bottom of fuselage): Any time the plane is about to start engines, or the engines are running they must be on. Wether the plane is on the ground or in air.
wingtip strobes: must be turned on only once the aircraft is on the active runway just before take off.. while in air.. then turned off just after landing. you trying looking into a strobe for 10 min and see if you can see much afterwards.
Landing lights are usually located on the wing-root, next to the fuselage, and turned on prior to entering the runway and turned back off after takeoff, usually at 10,000 feet. They are again turned on when descending thru 10,000 feet and off when vacating the runway.
Taxi Light: on the nose gear. when ever the airplane is maneuvering around the apron or the airport ground area... must be on day or night for saftey. Should be turned off prior to entering the gate for marshaller's comfort.
Logo Lights/Wing Lights: at pilot's/company's discretion. Allow better visual of the wing leading edge for icing check purposes..... granted it has to be night for these to have good effectiveness, but are usually on while on the ground. some pilots may turn them on just before landing about 5 miles out when they turn on landing lights just to save time. (tail) to let people waiting in the terminal see where the plane is their family might be on... (wing) escape / saftey purposes |
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dudler Junior SurClaro Member Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Total posts: 86 Location: Montreal, Canada Age: 47 Gender: Male
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| Quote: | | I know the BACONS should be turned on when the motor is running |
LMAO!! Must be a breakfast flight! 
landing Light: DAYTIME: If NO taxi light is installed, use is the the same as the taxi light during the day.
NIGHTIME: OFF leaving the runway after arrival. If NO taxi light is installed use as a taxi light during night.
Taxi Light: DAYTIME: ON taxing onto the active runway for departure.
OFF when no longer required to enhance "See and be seen"
ON approaching the airport
OFF leaving the runway after arrival
NIGHTIME: ON during taxi as needed during departure and arrival. OFF when the landing light is turned on. |
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| rd Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Total posts: 3777 Location: COMFORTABLY NUMB, in U.S.A. *** KOFF *** Age: 51 Gender: Male
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Propwash,
The red lights above and below the fuselage are NOT considered anti-collision lights. They are considered as Engine (prop or jet) warning lights that must be activated BEFORE the engines are started and must remain on until the engines are shut down. As you did correctly say.
But they are not anti-collision lights, just warning lights.
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MaxSurClaro senior forum member Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Total posts: 673 Location: LQSA Age: 43 Gender: Male
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| capt.PropwashKCHS wrote: | coming from someone that actually worked for US AIRWAYS for 6 months loading and unloading 737-300, 400... B1900... CRJ-200... E-120... CRJ-700... ERJ-145 and the occasional 757
red anticollision beacons (top and bottom of fuselage): Any time the plane is about to start engines, or the engines are running they must be on. Wether the plane is on the ground or in air.
wingtip strobes: must be turned on only once the aircraft is on the active runway just before take off.. while in air.. then turned off just after landing. you trying looking into a strobe for 10 min and see if you can see much afterwards.
Landing lights are usually located on the wing-root, next to the fuselage, and turned on prior to entering the runway and turned back off after takeoff, usually at 10,000 feet. They are again turned on when descending thru 10,000 feet and off when vacating the runway.
Taxi Light: on the nose gear. when ever the airplane is maneuvering around the apron or the airport ground area... must be on day or night for saftey. Should be turned off prior to entering the gate for marshaller's comfort.
Logo Lights/Wing Lights: at pilot's/company's discretion. Allow better visual of the wing leading edge for icing check purposes..... granted it has to be night for these to have good effectiveness, but are usually on while on the ground. some pilots may turn them on just before landing about 5 miles out when they turn on landing lights just to save time. (tail) to let people waiting in the terminal see where the plane is their family might be on... (wing) escape / saftey purposes |
What I'd like to know senor, is what exactly is the point of your post? Yes, the beacons ARE red anti-colision lights (give ya a 767 crew training manual extract if you like) but the whole contents of the post is exactly what I've said in the first one.
This comming from an Airline Captain with Flight Instructor ratings. |
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BehrentzsSurClaro senior forum member Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Total posts: 579 Location: Denmark Age: 17 Gender: Male
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| Quote: | I know the BACONS should be turned on when the motor is running
LMAO!! Must be a breakfast flight! |
LOL!! Sorry, mean beacons
And thx to all for da help!  |
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