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Post by KA0014 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:40 pm

hi. im looking to either buy or build a custom gameing computer. im looking into makeing one with a p4 478pin motherboard. and an 80 gig hard drive. but the mother board has to have agp in it. as some of my games won't work on this current pc. because it's all pci. would someone be able to point me in the direction of where i can buy something like this or how i could go about makeing something like this?

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Post by tropicalfish » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:40 pm

Pentium 4?? That's beyond outdated.

What is your budget? (And do you live in US?)

Edit: nvm, you do live in the US

Give me a budget and I can put together something quick and simple.
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Post by KA0014 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:50 pm

yes sir. i do live in the unitedstates. and i had a freind build me one that was hit by lightning. for 350.00 dollars. i don't have it now. cause it was beyond repair.

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Post by KA0014 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:10 pm

you can make a pc like that t-fish? cause i want a complex set up here. i have somestuff in mind as to what i want in the pc.

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Post by tropicalfish » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:45 pm

Do you have a budget? I can make a list of components you can purchase off Newegg.com.
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Post by KA0014 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:48 pm

well yeah i have a budget of about 400 dollars. but i was hopeing you could put it together. seeing how you sound like you know what your doing. on building pc's

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Post by tropicalfish » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:19 am

I wouldn't be able to do that. I'm a bit busy and building a PC and sending it off is not easy for me to do.

But building one is rather easy actually.

If you can take a stretch (around 511 USD) on your budget, this one should perform FS9 pretty well. The graphics card is on the skimpy side though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811129042

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813138121

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814130389

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Tell me if that is too much for you and I'll put together a cheaper list for you.
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Post by KA0014 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:44 am

uhh yeah. sorry but thats about 200 past what i wanna spend. the motherboard has to have an agp slot as well. that mother board you had on the list wasn't agp

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Post by heeshung » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:12 am

Why would you want AGP in a new PC? AGP is beyond ancient, and there's no such thing as a game not being able to run on PCI-Express.
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Post by tropicalfish » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:07 am

Why does the motherboard need an AGP slot? It is slow and it is discontinued technology.

The list I provided already has a video card, but it uses PCI-Express 2.0 x16, a far more superior technology.

But I can give you a cheaper list though, just give me some time.
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Post by tropicalfish » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:24 am

How much performance are you willing to expect? I'm having a hard time squeezing a good gaming computer down to 400 dollars.
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Post by rd » Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:28 am

What are your current PC specs, in full detail.

There is no way your PCI card can't play games. If your AGP card can, so can the PCI card.

You might have a driver issue, but, first, post up your system specs as they are now.

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Post by KA0014 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:33 pm

to t-fish. gimme sometime on that one sir. i'll get that to ya. and to the other guys. there is infact a game that won't run on a pci card. it is called 18 wheels of steel haulin. and it dose need an agp graphics card. other wise it runs so slow i can't run it. i have a 512mb pci card in this pc and it won't run that game at all. but it runs fs04 pretty good sometimes.

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Post by KA0014 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:42 pm

ok this is my system specs. as it's sitting on my desck right now.

processor is an intel Celeron 2.53GHz

motherboard is MS-6577M-ATX

memory is 2 512mb sticks at 400 mhz corsair.

i have a 33.1 gb harddrive

graaphics is a jaton navidia 512 pci twin.

ok this pretty much summs me up. if ya need more info i'll have to go deeper in the system information panel.

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Post by tropicalfish » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:49 pm

That's PCI. PCI is slower than AGP.

Here's how the lineup is, from fastest to slowest.

PCI-Express, AGP, PCI.

For most video cards, the standard is PCI-Express 2.0 x16, a far more superior and better technology. Any game can play on it.

What kind of performance do you want out of a new computer? If you want a lot, 400 dollars won't get you much.
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Post by KA0014 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:53 pm

i know 400 dollars won't get me much. but it seemed like when i had a computer that had agp in it. and a 512mb agp video card all my agp games ran as smooth as could be. it was jer nor slow.

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Post by tropicalfish » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:18 pm

Keep in mind AGP is old technology. The reason why you thought AGP was better is because traditional PCI is slower than AGP.
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Post by KA0014 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:21 pm

oh ok. so it wasn't my mind playing tricks on me then? agp games do work better on an agp card then they do on pci cards?

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Post by tropicalfish » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:29 pm

Define AGP games? Games can play on any graphics card. It just depends on the performance you will get out of it. On a traditional PCI video card, the performance will be less. On AGP, it will be higher, and on PCI-Express, it will be even higher.
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Post by KA0014 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:35 pm

welli have two other games other then fs04. #1 is a truckdriving simulator. and#2 is a raceingsimulator. but they both require an agp graphics card. and i don't have an agp graphics card. and they both run like crap on this pc. but the other pc i had that had agp in it. the games ran great.

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Post by tropicalfish » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:46 pm

*sigh*

Games do NOT REQUIRE an AGP card.
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Post by KA0014 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:52 pm

well there was no need to yell. i know that. but if you want an agp game to work properly you would need an agp graphics card. because games that say it needs agp on the box for the system requirements do not work properly on a pci card. i know this because i have tried it.PCI is superior to AGP, later technology!

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Post by tropicalfish » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:17 pm

KA0014 wrote:well there was no need to yell. i know that. but if you want an agp game to work properly you would need an agp graphics card. because games that say it needs agp on the box for the system requirements do not work properly on a pci card. i know this because i have tried it.
I'm not talking about PCI.

No new computers will sell AGP. They are all PCI-Express, which is different from AGP or traditional PCI.

You can go onto eBay and look for a motherboard with AGP, but you won't find any in retail stores or online retail that sell AGP motherboards.

Any game will be able to run on a PCI-Express video card provided that the system is powerful enough.
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Post by KA0014 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:24 pm

ok. thank you.

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