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Post by KA0014 » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:08 pm

hello all. i was just wondering why does it seem to me that the cessna skylane in fs04 is faster then the sky hawak? and the mooney bravo also seems faster then the skylane? is this my imagination? or are they really faster then the other? i know this seems like a silly question. but im silly. lol so what ya think? :D

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Post by Denholm » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:57 pm

No idea, I mainly spend my time flying larger jetliners. However when I do fly them I don't pay much attention to speed, I just fly them.
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Post by KA0014 » Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:11 pm

lol i used to fly the jet liners to. i was a virtual airline pilot for 6,500 hours. thats why im flying the little planes. i got sick of the sound of jets.

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Post by Cat1 » Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:35 pm

Well, Mooneys were designed for speed so it is the fastest out of that group. I can't find any specs on the Bravo.
Stats and specs for the Cessnas are below.

http://skyhawk.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml

http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml
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Post by KA0014 » Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:37 pm

great thanks for the specs. but wouldn't they be the same as for whats in the simulator it's self? cause i thought these planes where based on the real deal. and yes i have to agree the bravo looks great and it handles great. and she's got speed and power to get ya from point a to point b. in a hurry thats for sure :D

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Post by Behrentzs » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:17 pm

Most of MS's default planes arn't even close to the real deal..

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Post by capt.PropwashKCHS » Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:27 pm

These are excerpts from the respective Aircraft.cfg files:::


C172 sp (Skyhawk)::
[General]
atc_type=Cessna
atc_model=C172
editable=0
performance="Maximum Speed\n126 kts 203 km\/hr\n\nCruise Speed\n124 kts 200 km\/hr\n\nEngine\nTextron Lycoming IO-360-L2A 180 bhp\n\nPropeller\nTwo-Bladed Macauley Fixed Pitch\n\nMaximum Range\n638 nm 734 mi 1181 km\n\nService Ceiling\n14,000 ft\t 4267 m\n\nFuel Capacity\n56 gal\t 212 L\t \n\nEmpty Weight\n1,665 lb\t 1,002 kg\n\nMaximum Gross Weight\n2,550 lb\t 1,157 kg\n\nLength\n27 ft, 2 in 8.2 m\n\nWingspan\n36 ft, 1 in\t 11 m\n\nHeight\n8 ft, 11 in\t 2.72 m\n\nSeating\t 4\n\nUseful Load\n893 lb\t 405 kg\n"


[Reference Speeds]
flaps_up_stall_speed = 53.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
full_flaps_stall_speed = 48.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
cruise_speed = 115.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
max_indicated_speed = 163 //Red line (KIAS)



C182 (Skylane)::
[General]
atc_type=Cessna
atc_model=C182
editable=0
performance="Maximum Speed\t\n145 kts 167 mph\t269 km\/h\n\nCruise Speed\t\n140 kts 161 mph \t259 km\/h\n\nEngine\t\nTextron Lycoming IO-540-AB1A5 230 hp\n\nPropeller\t\nThree-bladed McCauley constant speed\n\nMaximum Range\t\n968 nm 1,114 sm \t1,793 km\n\nService Ceiling\t\n18,100 ft \t 5,517 m\n\nFuel Capacity\t\n92 U.S. gal 348 L \n\nEmpty Weight\t\n1,810 lb \t 821 kg\n\nMaximum Gross Weight\t\n3,110 lb \t 1,411 kg\n\nLength\t\n29 ft\t 8.84 m\n\nWingspan\t\n36 ft\t 11 m\n\nHeight\t\n9 ft\t 2.77 m\n\nSeating\t\nUp to 4 \n\nUseful Load\t\n1,300 lb \t 590 kg"


[Reference Speeds]
flaps_up_stall_speed = 54.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
full_flaps_stall_speed = 49.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
cruise_speed = 120.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
max_indicated_speed = 175 //Red line (KIAS)



Mooney Bravo:: edit: http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=285 ----- i found this which has some specifications on teh left hand side.
[General]
atc_type=Mooney
atc_model=
editable=0
performance="Maximum Speed\t\n220 kts 253 mph\t407 kmh\n\nCruise Speed\t\n195 kts 224 mph \t361 kmh\n\nEngine\t\nTextron Lycoming TIO-540-AF1B 270 hp\n\nPropeller\t\nThree-bladed McCauley constant speed\n\nMaximum Range\t\n1,050 nm 1,204 sm \t1,945 km\n\nService Ceiling\t\n25,000 ft 7,620 m\n\nFuel Capacity\t\n89 U.S. gal 337 L \n\nEmpty Weight\t\n2,189 lb \t 993 kg\n\nMaximum Gross Weight\t\n3,368 lb \t 1,528 kg\n\nUseful Load\t\n1,179 lb \t 535 kg\n\nLength\t\n26.75 ft\t 8.15 m\n\nWingspan\t\n36 ft\t 11 m\n\nHeight\t\n8.33 ft\t 2.5 m\n\nSeating\t\nUp to 4"


[Reference Speeds]
flaps_up_stall_speed = 66.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
full_flaps_stall_speed = 52.8 //Knots True (KTAS)
cruise_speed = 180.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
max_indicated_speed = 195 //Red line (KIAS)







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Post by FSPilot06 » Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:21 pm

No you're not imagining this. As an experienced FS9 Skylane pilot, I can tell you the Skylane is faster than the Skyhawk. The Skylane has 230hp and a constant propeller, which can deliver a cruise speed of 145KTAS (around 160mph). The Skyhawk has a 180hp engine and a fixed pitch propeller which I think is a cruise prop. It cruises around 120KTAS. The Mooney Bravo, on the other hand, has a more powerful engine than both the Cessnas, and it's equipped with a turbocharger for better performance. I don't remember the Mooney's cruise speed, but it was close to 180KIAS if I'm not mistaken.

There's a light airplane you left out I would like to mention. The Baron 58. This is another one have experience with. It has a nice cruise speed and for a high-performance-complex airplane, it isn't very hard to fly. Those two Continentals can really get to pullin'!
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Post by Cat1 » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:39 am

Not to offend, but I didn't cite any Mooney specs because I could not find factory specifications.
Any thing else I thought would be a bit substandard and subject to "Well, those aren't factory specs".
But the Mooney is the fastest of them all, when compared to the Cessna's.

Another nice single engine to look at is the Lancair Columbia series, I seem to remember seeing some here, but most are of the FS2002 variety. I have the Legacy 5.zip but haven't flown it in awhile.

Link to manufacturer: http://www.flycolumbia.com/

And if you find some good models please share :)
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Post by capt.PropwashKCHS » Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:12 am

there was the link earlier that i had found at airliners.net, and then i just found this one too... http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20p ... ney/56.htm
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Post by KA0014 » Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:47 pm

lol i have to agrre with that one gentle man. that said that most ms planes are not close to the real deal. lol cause ya don't get all the motion ya do in the real deal. and the one i fly on fs don't have 7,700 hours on it. lol :lol:

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Post by FSPilot06 » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:21 pm

Ah, the Lancair. Very nice airplane indeed. There was some fella in this state that set the speed record for the fastest speed acheived in one of those. Of course it was modified.

No, and it sucks, flight sim isn't %100 realistic, especially with the being able to feel thing.
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Post by KA0014 » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:26 pm

:lol: i agree with fspilot 06. it mayt fly close to the real thing and sound like it. but ya don't get the motion and ya can't talk to atc. and ya don't spill hot coffie in your lap after a hard landing :lol:

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Post by FSPilot06 » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:01 am

Spill hot coffee in your lap after a hard landing..... :lol: :lol: That's a good one.

FSPILOT WHAT-IF IDEA ALERT!!!!!!!!!

Hey, what if you could use a headset to communicate with ATC?! The back of the software box indicates a headset is an optional device. That would make FS9 VERY realistic even if you can't feel the airplane's motions and other things.
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Post by KA0014 » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:18 pm

:lol: what if idea red alert? lol thats true. it dose say that but i think it would take one heck of a tweak fo ya to be able to actully talk to atc in fs04 :wink:

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Post by Cat1 » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:44 pm

That is what VATSIM is for...
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Post by KA0014 » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:05 pm

:lol: oh really i never knew. :lol: no im just kidding. i used to be a member there a long time ago

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Post by FSPilot06 » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:57 pm

Never heard of VATSIM.... What is it?
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Post by rd » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:48 am

Google it.

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Post by KA0014 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:42 pm

vatsim is a virtual airtraffic controll server. but i havn't been there in years im not even sure if there still on the web or not? :(

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Post by rd » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:44 pm

Yepper, they are still in business.

http://www.vatsim.net/

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Post by KA0014 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:06 pm

oh ok. i just wonder if my account is still any good? lol

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