Helo Rotors

Comments, Bugs, doubts, help or anything related.

Moderators: rd, mel wilson, gbesoain, Cat1, ricktobin, groundsquirrel, skipperdan

Post Reply
User avatar
jaeger52
Top Contributors
Top Contributors
Posts: 1213
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:34 pm
Location: Minneapolix, MN

Helo Rotors

Post by jaeger52 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:04 pm

Has anyone else noticed this behavior? Why do all addon helicopter rotors seem to have no opacity over default scenery objects in fsx?

The behavior does not occur with default helos, only addons, of which I have several.

I've got all graphics pretty much maxed out in FSX. I'm running an NVIDIA GE Force 8800 GT card. 4 Gigs of RAM. Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Processor @ 3.0 GHz.

Jaeg-
Attachments
fsx 2009-12-14 14-51-53-74.jpg

User avatar
Haun
SurClaro senior forum member
SurClaro senior forum member
Posts: 467
Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:10 am

Post by Haun » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:47 pm

Developer problem

User avatar
harkonnen
Top Contributors
Top Contributors
Posts: 2830
Joined: Sun May 08, 2005 11:59 pm
Location: New Liskeard, Ontario, Canada

Post by harkonnen » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:25 pm

True dat. I do remember reading about differences in the FSX SDK's regarding materials in gmax. Not sure if it's a texture deal (naming conventions/alpha assignments?) or a different way to create materials themselves, but developers that are 'in the loop' should be doing it right by now....you'd think. I'll look around over at Free Flight Design Shop later on to confirm, but if the default rotors are nice and the third-party ones suck, you know what's going on, and it's not your computer's fault.

EDIT:Woah woah, hang on a second...I took a second look at the screenie - why is the rotor disk transparent over the taxiway and all solid and messed up only against the building part of the backdrop? #-o Same deal looking through the tail rotor. :-k
Image

User avatar
mel wilson
Forum Moderator - Master member
Forum Moderator - Master member
Posts: 4391
Joined: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:18 pm
Location: Stowmarket, Suffolk.
Contact:

Post by mel wilson » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:21 pm

That tail rotor is wierd

Mel.
http://www.mid-suffolk-radio-modellers.com/index.html

User avatar
groundsquirrel
Forum Moderator - Master member
Forum Moderator - Master member
Posts: 4929
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:31 am
Location: Navarre,Florida-USA (KVPS,KHRT,KPNS)
Contact:

hmmm

Post by groundsquirrel » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:46 am

Well, what I see in the pic is four blurred blades on the main rotor and two blurred blades on the tail rotor. The odd shiny polygon looks like a scenery draw error of some sort, possible mesh bleed through. Would have to see this shot from several perspectives to say more.

^^^this^^^=my.02
Gravity ... it's an Earth thing.

User avatar
jaeger52
Top Contributors
Top Contributors
Posts: 1213
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:34 pm
Location: Minneapolix, MN

Post by jaeger52 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:25 am

Okay,

I'll come back with more screenies.

Jaeg-
Bruce aka Jaeg-

Project Developer:
- Around The World Search / Madeleine McCann



Image

User avatar
jaeger52
Top Contributors
Top Contributors
Posts: 1213
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:34 pm
Location: Minneapolix, MN

Post by jaeger52 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:41 pm

My original statement that all addon helicopters are displaying strange rotor behavior is wrong. After some more testing, I've discovered that only two of my several addon's are showing odd rotor behavior.

These are:

The Gmax A109 (includes 10 variants). All variants have same behavior
The SCA Bell 430 (includes 3 variants). All variants have same behavior.

http://www.surclaro.com/fsx-helicopter_ ... dateD.html

8 and 9 down from top.

Here are some more screenies usiing the SCA Bell 430.

Do you get the same thing with these birds?

Jaeg-
Attachments
fsx 2009-12-15 17-16-00-27.jpg
Main rotor vs bridge
fsx 2009-12-15 17-16-18-62.jpg
Tail rotor vs bridge
fsx 2009-12-15 17-16-36-59.jpg
buildings and roads wiped.
fsx 2009-12-15 17-17-04-32.jpg
Clouds wiped out
Bruce aka Jaeg-

Project Developer:
- Around The World Search / Madeleine McCann



Image

User avatar
groundsquirrel
Forum Moderator - Master member
Forum Moderator - Master member
Posts: 4929
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:31 am
Location: Navarre,Florida-USA (KVPS,KHRT,KPNS)
Contact:

Yep..

Post by groundsquirrel » Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:06 am

Yep....those are obviously old models. They may have even been originally for Fs2k2 or Fs98. The transparency for the prop "disk" is not interpreted by FSX. You will find this to be true on many older propeller aircraft as well.
Gravity ... it's an Earth thing.

User avatar
rd
Forum Moderator - Master member
Forum Moderator - Master member
Posts: 6868
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:34 pm
Location: COMFORTABLY NUMB, in U.S.A. *** KOFF ***

Post by rd » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:41 am

If you want them fixed, let me know where you got the downloads from, and I will fix them for you.


At a price... hehehe


.
RD


"shhh.... I'm going undercover. "

User avatar
jaeger52
Top Contributors
Top Contributors
Posts: 1213
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:34 pm
Location: Minneapolix, MN

Post by jaeger52 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:55 pm

Sure RD,

Fix them if you can. I downloaded from right here. The link is in my post above.

I don't know what this fix involves, but for your convenience you would only have to apply the fix to one of each 'copter. The Gmax A109 "executive" variant is the only one I fly.

And any of the 3 SCA Bell 430's would have to be fixed (theyre all the same variant, just different tail numbers.).

EDIT: I'm sending PM your way.

Name your price. you just know it's gonna be a case of JD.
And thanks in advance!

Jaeg-


Actually, 2 bottles of a Semi-Dry red wine labeled "1854" would do the trick. Although the case of JD would be cheaper. :D
Bruce aka Jaeg-

Project Developer:
- Around The World Search / Madeleine McCann



Image

User avatar
jaeger52
Top Contributors
Top Contributors
Posts: 1213
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:34 pm
Location: Minneapolix, MN

Post by jaeger52 » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:59 pm

Dang! Who told you that I had one [singular] bottle of Semi-Dry red wine labeled "1854". But I do have a full case of Napa 1969 Pinot Noir, which I would gladly share a couple with you via YouSendIt!

Any luck on the fix for this, RD?

Is this something I can do myself? Lemme know the procedure if it's something ridiculously simple, cuz I've just aquired a plethora of 'copters that are needing this fix.


Jaeg-
Bruce aka Jaeg-

Project Developer:
- Around The World Search / Madeleine McCann



Image

User avatar
rd
Forum Moderator - Master member
Forum Moderator - Master member
Posts: 6868
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:34 pm
Location: COMFORTABLY NUMB, in U.S.A. *** KOFF ***

Post by rd » Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:14 am

Sorry Brucie, been putting in alot of OT. I'll get with it tomorrow morning, and have a fix for you before I leave for work.

.
RD


"shhh.... I'm going undercover. "

User avatar
jaeger52
Top Contributors
Top Contributors
Posts: 1213
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:34 pm
Location: Minneapolix, MN

Post by jaeger52 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:06 pm

Zzzzz, snore! Huzza-hmpf, brmmk! Hm, whawazzat?
Bruce aka Jaeg-

Project Developer:
- Around The World Search / Madeleine McCann



Image

User avatar
mel wilson
Forum Moderator - Master member
Forum Moderator - Master member
Posts: 4391
Joined: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:18 pm
Location: Stowmarket, Suffolk.
Contact:

Post by mel wilson » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:19 am

Wow .... wish I could have found a job like that :lol:
http://www.mid-suffolk-radio-modellers.com/index.html

User avatar
rd
Forum Moderator - Master member
Forum Moderator - Master member
Posts: 6868
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:34 pm
Location: COMFORTABLY NUMB, in U.S.A. *** KOFF ***

Post by rd » Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:07 am

I'm telling ya, the OT is killing me. No life at all. :twisted:

I'm not sure if I still have the .bmp's or not. I'll have to look for them. If I don't have them, I'll do them again. It didn't take very long at all to do them.

Check the snow thread, it WAS a busy winter this past winter. :)


.
RD


"shhh.... I'm going undercover. "

Post Reply