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ATP FULL ILS APPROACH LESSON QUESTION

Post by prowily » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:35 pm

ok Im figuring out this little by little, but I still havnt got it yet and no one has answered my question on this site!!! On the ATP lesson "Full ILS Approach Lesson" , when I have crossed all the VOR's and on my way to the Nollan outter maker. It says to head on 323 corse but the caption says to stay on 326 and decend to 2200 ft at 200 knots. It actuall puts me off course of the outter maker. and once I reach the outer maker he fails me. It allways says im to far left or right even if I head directly to the outer maker or the Nollan NDB (BF) thats there he wont say anything and I can go on to the ILS lesson. Wats up wat the hell am I doing wrong. Is there any oneout there on this site who understands and can explain wat the hell Im asking. Im not talking about the checkride Im talking about the full appraoch ILS lesson. GEE I HOPE I GET A RESONCE. phrase deleted

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Post by rd » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:28 pm

Happy Easter.....

When you settle down......

.....some one MAY give you an answer.

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Post by prowily » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:42 pm

Ok Im settled down. That was funny. Happy easter by the way. I still dont think that anyone is going to give me an answer. But thats ok. Ill wait. I hope to here from someone.

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Post by rd » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:48 am

I haven't taken this checkride, so I am not of any help.

But I did google the checkride, and found some interesting help, and complaints.

I would try and see if you can get some answers through there.

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Post by Matt_Jetspeed » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:55 am

I don't understand the instrument displays much, so can anyone show me what's the ILS looks like on the PFD? I know ILS makes landing easier, but only if I understand. I also would like to know how it helps guiding down for landing.
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Post by skipperdan » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:23 pm

I am going to go out on a limb and make a guess that you are brand new to Flight Simulator. Based upon your limited understanding of how the ILS works, I would strongly suggest that you slow down and work your way up from a small Cessna and practice your skills there before you try to program the fancy computer of a "Heavy" aircraft. 8) 8)

As a famous football coach said, "We are going to start with the basics. This is a football". 8) 8)
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Post by Matt_Jetspeed » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:20 am

skipperdan wrote:I am going to go out on a limb and make a guess that you are brand new to Flight Simulator. Based upon your limited understanding of how the ILS works, I would strongly suggest that you slow down and work your way up from a small Cessna and practice your skills there before you try to program the fancy computer of a "Heavy" aircraft. 8) 8)

As a famous football coach said, "We are going to start with the basics. This is a football". 8) 8)
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Well your guess is nowhere near, I got FS2002 Pro Edition like since 2004/2005 or a few years already but there have been nobody with pilot knowledge to teach me how to fly properly. I have trouble understanding most lessons on the Flight Sim games. So that made me a slow learner & I also hate little Cessna planes which might made more difficult to learn. I'll start taking your advice & try learning on basic smaller planes whether or not I like them.

Well like you say with football you start with basics, I like car racing & I have to say similar or the same too. You always start of with basics with a small slower & less powerful car to master until you work your way up to higher class cars. Like F1 & Le Mans drivers mastered so many different cars before they race the elite. :wink:
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Post by skipperdan » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:48 am

I bought my first version of Flight Simulator back in 2001 and have enjoyed flying with all of the versions since then.

You will encounter some super advice from many subscribers to Surclaro who have great answers to your questions. I have learned a great deal for reading other people's topics. However, I have observed that most of the Surclaro experts will probably encourage you to "read" about the topics that are giving you problems. We can try to point you in the right direction. However, searching on the internet, going to the library, or subscribing to aviation magazines seem to provide the best answers.

Here are just a few of my best "Words of Wisdom".
* Practice with a smaller aircraft until you feel comfortable and then progress to the larger aircraft. Even after you feel comfortable moving upto a larger or faster aircraft, make it a habit to go back to the smaller aircraft to refresh your skills and try new techniques.

* If you can, spend some time at a local airport and ask questions. Even the guys who are there with greasy hands and a wrench in their hand are always happy to talk to you and tell you their favorite aviaton stories. I am very lucky to have several very good friends at the local airport because I have become a very active volunteer at the local airport.

* Study the material in this excellent link.
http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm

* After you study about the ILS, study the other chapters from this same source.

I wish you happy flying. 8) 8)
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...Mission Observer (front right seat)
...Air Operations Branch Director
...Flew several times in a Cessna 182 with G1000 (maintaining the MFD).
...Attended two day class conducted by the Air Force Rescue Coordination Center
...Completed training for Flight Line Marshall, Flight Release Officer, and Mission Radio Operator.

You should visit your local Civil Air Patrol Squadron and complete an application for membership.
.
Please watch this video that my son made of a Discovery Flight from Albert Whitted Airport (my home base). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EMUg1jiCss
.
Please check out scenery that I helped develop for Albert Whitted Airport http://www.surclaro.com/download.php?query=KSPG&op=search&cid=
.
Check out this article in Air and Space Magazine concerning Albert Whitted Airport:
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/The-Airport-That-Wouldnt-Die.html

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What a Paine

Post by bromster » Wed May 19, 2010 9:12 pm

I found that one quite a pain as well, because there is very little lateral tolerance before they start yelling at you.

I turn left a little bit before the VOR to give myself a headstart on tracking the outbound radial. Even so, i have to make fast, dramatic corrections (up to 45 degree bank) in order to stay within the instructor's criteria, particularly when you're close to the VOR. It's pretty dumb to be honest.

It took me 4 or 5 times to stay within instructor limits onto final, then he just fails me coz i put the landing gear down at the wrong time. It took me a further 8 tries to actually land the aircraft without being failed for my landing gear. WTF.

Good luck.

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Post by skipperdan » Thu May 20, 2010 2:37 am

Perfect timing to read this post.

I just flew front right seat from SPG at Albert Whitted Airport to PIE at St. Pete-Clearwater Airport. We set our Nav radio to the PIE VOR. We had to talk to ATIS, ground then Tower at SPG. They advised us to contact TPA-Tampa Approach because we went into their airspace. We next had to contact PIE ATIS, approach and then PIE tower because we did an ILS landing on runway 35R. It was very interesting to watch the VOR needles as we followed the Localizer and Glide Slope. Once we landed and performed our after landing checklist, we contacted PIE Ground and taxied to our tie-down. I was in communications with Civil Air Patrol Communication on our flight to and from our weekly squadron meeting.

I emphasize the number of changes to frequencies because we often take this for granted when flying on the Simulator. It is critical that the Pilot make notes in his Kneeboard of all frequencies that he may need. Because TPA Tampa is such a large airport, we can't always predict what frequencies we will be assigned.

This was my first ILS landing in a real aircraft. We did it at night which was an added treat.

PS: I split the cost with my pilot and definitely got my money's worth just by observing a fantastic pilot.
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...Emergency Services Training Officer
...Instructor at the Florida Wing Conference 2012.
...Mission Observer (front right seat)
...Air Operations Branch Director
...Flew several times in a Cessna 182 with G1000 (maintaining the MFD).
...Attended two day class conducted by the Air Force Rescue Coordination Center
...Completed training for Flight Line Marshall, Flight Release Officer, and Mission Radio Operator.

You should visit your local Civil Air Patrol Squadron and complete an application for membership.
.
Please watch this video that my son made of a Discovery Flight from Albert Whitted Airport (my home base). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EMUg1jiCss
.
Please check out scenery that I helped develop for Albert Whitted Airport http://www.surclaro.com/download.php?query=KSPG&op=search&cid=
.
Check out this article in Air and Space Magazine concerning Albert Whitted Airport:
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/The-Airport-That-Wouldnt-Die.html

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Re: ATP FULL ILS APPROACH LESSON QUESTION

Post by nelson » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:13 pm

Dear Prowily.

I read you question recently. I am still having the same problem. Exactly the same. No more no less. It is hard to believe that such an important program like Microsoft FSX can provide such bad quality lesson prior to the ATP checkride. I do not believe that is the case of change for a smaller aircraft. You would not take try lesson if you had not done the previous lessons. I perform the solo full aproach and everything goes right. I try it very often and it is all sucess. Then, I am sure that the mistake is in the lesson. I read the answer " What a Paine by bromster " (below in this page) and found important details tho help. From this on , I am managing to go further and making small corrections the lesson is improving. Do not give up. It is not your fault. And do not go back to smaller aircraft. It is nonsense. Keep in touch. nelson

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