How to line up the aircraft on the runway for Take off?

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How to line up the aircraft on the runway for Take off?

Post by Matt_Jetspeed » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:50 am

I thought landing is the hardest part of flying, but I a have trouble taking off on the runway. I used to start a flight with the airplane on the active runway to take off & it's so easy, but now I practice starting the flight at the gate to taxi to runway for take off with problems. I tried to line up, straight it up as possible as I can & it still veers of the runway during take off! I also centered ailerons & rudders, don't understand why it's not enough to keep straight. How do you guys line the planes up straight before take off in the center of the runway? Do you have to use some techniques or instruments/controls just for taking off successfully? If anyone knows, please help! I know this is a newbie question, but I really do need help. :oops:
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Post by harkonnen » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:35 pm

I try to get the nose gear lined up right on the white center line, and I find it difficult too, but I can offer a tip or two that may help.

Keep your taxi speed down, maybe even lower than the set speed. This may stop too much runway from going by while you try to line up.

Practice making the minutest steering adjustments possible, consider playing with the joystick sensitivity inputs found within the FS2004 settings to dampen things a bit.

Don't worry about perfection, something tells me it's easier to line up a real aircraft than to manipulate a visual model measured in inches in 'Spot View'.

If you can get the nose gear to travel along decently parallel for a few segments of the white line, I say throttle up and expect to make small adjustments for the whole length of the runway to stay as centered as possible until rotation. Even if you're lined up perfectly, you may get some torque to the left with propeller aircraft, even as you zip down the runway. (Depending on your realism settings.) I think it's called torque anyway ...someone please correct me if I've messed that up.

That's what I try to do anyway, if I'm lining up the aircraft myself, it's easy to oversteer and mess it up.
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Post by Matt_Jetspeed » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:31 pm

Ok it sounds like taking off straight can be a bit difficult than I thought, but yeah I'll try to taxi a little slower when turning onto the runway. About the torque realism setting, should I set it lower or not? I know the more realism means higher difficulties. I usually fly jetliners like B737 & 757. I don't like prop planes. I also don't have a joystick, but I had a thought it might be easier to fly with. :wink:
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Post by skipperdan » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:14 pm

If you are having a difficult time learning how to keep the aircraft straight during takeoff, I suggest that you set the torque setting to lower until you become more comfortable.

I have a Joy Stick but rarely use it. Instead, I always use my Yoke and Rudders. See attached Picture.

I don't like heavy aircraft. I prefer small GA props because that is the kind of aircraft that we use in the the Civil Air Patrol.

PS: We are planning about 4 training sorties on Saturday and I will be performing as the "trainer" during two of the sorties. 8) 8)
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Post by Matt_Jetspeed » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:32 am

Do you mean torque setting for under flight model? Well I set it pretty low, but do you recommend leave it all the way down to no torque? Well I would like the flight yoke, throttle quadrant & rudders but I have to use the keyboard for the meantime. I'm a Boeing fanatic & I fly them more so flight yokes would be suitable, joysticks are more for Airbus. I'm more into jet air transport, so I'll always like to prefer heavy aircraft but I just need to be more good with them. I unfortunately do have more problems with heavy jets like B767, B777, B747, A330, A340 & A380. They are very difficult to land, would ILS help much or you also need better flying skills for heavy aircraft? Well at least I can land 737s & 757s. For now, I'll practice & be careful with taking off & see how I go. 8)
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Post by ag-airline » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:21 pm

Well I would buy a joystick it's just plain easier to steer with it. But I don't know how much costs cause I got my joystick as a gift from me cousin who pilots a real cessna 182 skylane. Anyway My tip to you is to steer with the rudder medals during takeoff and when you get to the speed where you can pull up and takeoff keep twisting or steering your joystick while you pull up and once your like 5 inchs off of the ground then I would stop twisting/turning my joystick.
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Post by skipperdan » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:25 pm

Check out these FREE videos. I guarantee that you will learn a great deal from viewing them.

Just click on each video that you want to review.
Next, click on the"play" icon.
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Re: here's my answer

Post by mel wilson » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:33 pm

ag-airline wrote:Well I would buy a joystick it's just plain easier to steer with it. But I don't know how much costs cause I got my joystick as a gift from me cousin who pilots a real cessna 182 skylane. Anyway My tip to you is to steer with the rudder medals during takeoff and when you get to the speed where you can pull up and takeoff keep twisting or steering your joystick while you pull up and once your like 5 inchs off of the ground then I would stop twisting/turning my joystick.
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Post by Matt_Jetspeed » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:12 am

skipperdan wrote:Check out these FREE videos. I guarantee that you will learn a great deal from viewing them.

Just click on each video that you want to review.
Next, click on the"play" icon.
8) 8)

http://www.kingschools.com/webVideo/VideoArchives.asp
Yeah I'll watch the videos that I can understand, but they're all for small planes like Cessna's so would it be any help for flying jetliners? BTW all that writing on the bottom must be your signature right? Your sig is huge, but great links & info!
ag-airline wrote:Well I would buy a joystick it's just plain easier to steer with it. But I don't know how much costs cause I got my joystick as a gift from me cousin who pilots a real cessna 182 skylane. Anyway My tip to you is to steer with the rudder medals during takeoff and when you get to the speed where you can pull up and takeoff keep twisting or steering your joystick while you pull up and once your like 5 inchs off of the ground then I would stop twisting/turning my joystick.
Yeah ok I'll soon look into buying a joystick, which brands & models do you guys recommend? I like Microsoft & Logitech, but I have to decide. :roll:
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Post by skipperdan » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:14 pm

A very famous college football coach once said, "We are going to start with the basics. This is a football".

I believe that any skills that you learn from a small General Aviation Aircraft can be applied towards a "Heavy" aircraft.

I guarantee that all of the lessons featured on these videos are well worth your time in viewing them.

Note: Last night, I assisted Major Pleasants during our Civil Air Patrol meeting. Our topic was "Flightline Marshalling". A large part of our presention was based around a 20 minute video on this subject. Videos are a great teaching tool.

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I do this to encourage you'all to get away from behind your computer desks and "get involved". I am divorced and live alone (however, my son lives about 25 minutes from me). Therefore, I have plenty of free time to indulge in my favorite hobby of aviation. As the old-timers know, I encourage you'all to take advantage of the FREE AIRPLANE RIDES that are offered by EAA during their YOUNG EAGLES events. I encourage you'all to join your local Civil Air Patrol Squadron. I have become very active in my squadron and have learned a great deal from other squadron members. I encourage you'all to attend local Air Shows and Aviation Museums. I encourage you'all to join AOPA because they offer a large amount of opportunities to learn.
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Post by tropicalfish » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:46 pm

Usually you'll still have to make some small rudder adjustments on your takeoff roll to stay in-line with the runway.

For me, I find that using my left and right views, or the virtual cockpit, to help me taxi onto the runway.
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Post by Matt_Jetspeed » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:05 am

tropicalfish wrote:Usually you'll still have to make some small rudder adjustments on your takeoff roll to stay in-line with the runway.

For me, I find that using my left and right views, or the virtual cockpit, to help me taxi onto the runway.
Do you mean using yaw rudders? Great I'll try using virtual cockpit & see if it helps for better views.
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Post by skipperdan » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:20 am

Please take plenty of time to check out the following website. It contains the best articles that I have ever encountered on the subject of Navigation.8) 8)

http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm
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Post by Matt_Jetspeed » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:43 am

The problem is I have to fly for a Virtual Airlines site & I can't take much time learning, I also usually have to fly big jets because they don't use many small planes. Well it's not like flying in real life so if anyone doesn't have much flying experience & make mistakes, it's only on a game. There's nothing risk lol! You told me to slow down & learn on smaller planes, I'll do it when I have time but I just have to know how to handle jetliners in the meantime. It's a big jump to heavy jets, but I'm in that situation. I think they do have some propliners, but I enjoy flying on jet routes. I also have to do 3 flights per month, I reckon you should join it too. Check out the sites on my sig. :wink:
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I think I'm improving with runway take offs!

Post by Matt_Jetspeed » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:13 pm

I been practicing with taxiing to the runway & line up for take off more straight or smoothly. I turned on the runway more slowly & with more accuracy, I also used the spot plane view to check on how straight the nose wheel with the white lines. Do real pilots turn with their flight yoke/joystick (for ailerons) or rudder pedals (for rudders) during taxiing? When throttling on the runway, do you use rudders or can you use ailerons? Well practice can make big improvements, so I'll keep it up. :wink:
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Post by skipperdan » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:19 pm

You asked some good questions:

I mostly land using the Spot Plane view because it gives me a better depth perspective. However I am striving to spend more time in the Cockpit view because that relates to the real world.

Real pilots turn with their Rudder Pedals during taxi because the aircraft is not moving fast enough to utilize the Ailerons.

When throttling on the runway, real pilots turn with their Rudder Pedals (initially) because the aircraft is not moving fast enough to utilize the Ailerons. When the aircraft picks up speed, the Ailerons then become effective. 8) 8)

Please refer to the John and Martha Views in the following link:
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Post by skipperdan » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:24 pm

skipperdan wrote:You asked some good questions:

I mostly land using the Spot Plane view because it gives me a better depth perspective. However I am striving to spend more time in the Cockpit view because that relates to the real world.

Real pilots turn with their Rudder Pedals during taxi because the aircraft is not moving fast enough to utilize the Ailerons.

When throttling on the runway, real pilots turn with their Rudder Pedals (initially) becasue the aircraft is not moving fast enough to utilize the Ailerons. When the aircraft picks up speed, the Ailerons then become effective. 8) 8)

Please refer to the John and Martha Videos in the following link:
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You should visit your local Civil Air Patrol Squadron and complete an application for membership.
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Please check out scenery that I helped develop for Albert Whitted Airport http://www.surclaro.com/download.php?query=KSPG&op=search&cid=
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Post by groundsquirrel » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:17 am

hehehehe....you quoted yourself. Good stuff as usual Skip', I hope people are taking the time to actually study this stuff.




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Post by skipperdan » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:04 pm

Groundsquirrel:

I must be into the first phase of Alzheimer’s disease.

PS: I just got home from a 2 day course presented by the Civil Air Patrol and taught by am employee of Homeland Security. I have now completed all 6 courses related to NIMS (National Incident Management System). NIMS is a system use by most Local, State, and National organizations for Emergency Management. 8) 8)
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Post by groundsquirrel » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:02 am

crikey.......are you planning on managing an emergency? 8O
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Post by skipperdan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:27 pm

Groundsquirrel:

I hope that I never have to participate in any form of Emergency Management as a result of any problems in the state of Florida. However, you know better than me about the hurricane problems that seem to occur in our beautiful state.

My squadron could be called upon to provided air support. Other squadrons in the state of Florida could be called upon to provide various forms of ground support. the NIMS courses prepare us to coordinate our efforts with other teams and organizations.8) 8)
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You should visit your local Civil Air Patrol Squadron and complete an application for membership.
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Post by skipperdan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:19 pm

Since I had a very busy schedule this past week, I did not take enough time to answer your question pertaining to when to use Rudder and/or ailerons during taxi and takeoff.

Please watch the following videos from the King Studios to obtain excellent answers to your questions.

http://www.kingschools.com/webVideo/VideoArchives.asp

..Explaining good crosswind takeoff

..Demo crosswind takeoff

..Normal Takeoffs

..Right rudder after liftoff

As stated in my previous response, you should always use your rudder pedals to steer during taxiiing. The rudder peddals control the nose wheel which is using for steering on the ground. The rudder pedals control the rudder when you are in the air which is used to control "Yaw".

The ailerons control "bank" while you are in th air. When you watch the above listed videos, you will also learn that the airerons will also be used to keep the wings down while on the ground and when you have encountered a "cross-wind". 8) 8)
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I AM NOT A PILOT. I JUST LOVE AVIATION.

CAPTAIN--CIVIL AIR PATROL
...Emergency Services Training Officer
...Instructor at the Florida Wing Conference 2012.
...Mission Observer (front right seat)
...Air Operations Branch Director
...Flew several times in a Cessna 182 with G1000 (maintaining the MFD).
...Attended two day class conducted by the Air Force Rescue Coordination Center
...Completed training for Flight Line Marshall, Flight Release Officer, and Mission Radio Operator.

You should visit your local Civil Air Patrol Squadron and complete an application for membership.
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Please watch this video that my son made of a Discovery Flight from Albert Whitted Airport (my home base). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EMUg1jiCss
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Check out this article in Air and Space Magazine concerning Albert Whitted Airport:
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/The-Airport-That-Wouldnt-Die.html

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